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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 23 May 94       Volume 94 : Issue  563

Today's Topics:
                               "for ID"
                          2 meter thru-glass
                  30Mhz - 40Mhz range, who uses it?
                              3V8W cards
                 Callsign Server EMAIL Address Wanted
                       cycles, cycles/sec vs Hz
                              HAM vs ham
           Need schematic for ICOM IC-290H 2 meter all mode
                         Obstructing justice
                 QSL Info Jordan/Morocco etc (2 msgs)
                         repeater slang/lingo
                        Scurvy knaves at ARRL
                           VO1 OPS (2 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:55:31 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com![e-mail]
Subject: "for ID"
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Gregg) writes:
>...
> "for ID" is one of my many pet peeves.  Why the heck else would you say your
> call?  You ALWAYS give your call "for ID."  It is just an annoying habit.
>...

I disagree.  I often have to ID when more than one person is involved with a
QSO, and the other parties are having a conversation I'm not actively
participating in.  If I say "KB5YAC" and nothing else, I interrupt the flow of
their conversation, they say "go ahead", and have to come back and say "I'm
just ID'ing".  Then if I don't ID when I say "I'm just ID'ing", I have to ID
again in 10 minutes, even if I just listen for the next 10 minutes.  If I say
"KB5YAC for ID", it causes the minimum disruption of the QSO in process.
(Unless someone asks "Why the heck else would you say your call?", in which
case I have to explain that I am not asking to be let in, I'm just obeying the
rules.)

The local repeater etiquette is to normally break in by giving your callsign.
"break" is normally used to indicate some level of urgency.  This makes
a callsign without "for ID" confusing in some circumstances.

I had the local net control on the weather net (jokingly) ask me why else I
would ID.  I told him.  Half an hour or so later, I was conversing with him
about some weather information and got interrupted by another ham with fresh
information before I could ID.  So, when there was an appropriate gap, I ID'd
and the net control called me back, and I had to tell him I was just ID'ing.
--
Mickey McInnis - [e-mail] ([e-mail] outside IBM)
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 14:49:19
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!m14494-pc.mitre.org![e-mail]
Subject: 2 meter thru-glass
To: [e-mail]

JEFF M. GOLD writes:

>#1) how does a thru the glass 2 meter antenna actually work?

Capacitive coupling using the glass as a dielectric.

>#2) what are its disadvantages?

It doesn't work all that well. It's not too lossey, but my experience is that
the matching circuit ages badly in the car environment  (hot/cold/vibration),
and over time, it doesn't match all that well. Also, it's hard to get a ground
plane working for the glass mount. Most come with a little tab that's supposed
to be tucked under the ceiling liner to couple to the roof, but forget it.

My advice to you is to swallow hard and cut a hole in the roof. Pop a larson
5/8 in there, and you're set for the life of the car.

-----------------------------------------

Mike White
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
703-883-7923 office
703-430-8402 home

My opinions are my own, not my employer's.

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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 18:03:17 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!avatar![e-mail]
Subject: 30Mhz - 40Mhz range, who uses it?
To: [e-mail]

In article <2rj8ou$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Lundgren) writes:
>
>Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <[e-mail]>,
>: [e-mail] (Stuart Hawkins) wrote:
>
>: > Does anyone know who/what uses the 30Mhz to 40Mhz frequency range?
>: > I have a European 35Mhz transmitter for my RC aircraft.
>: > I would like to know if it's safe to use it in the States.
>: > Does anything conflict? Military possibly?
>
>: Up until a very short time ago the Los Angeles City Fire Department
>: was operating in this frequency range; they've since moved up to
>: uhf. Isn't the California Highway Patrol still down there?
>
>: Jeff NH6IL
>
>The CHP uses 42.xxx MHz.  There are some frequencies for local gummint
>such as the AQMD there, but it's mostly U.S. Government frequencies.  So
>there are some active frequencies.  There are some old mobile telephone
>channels in th middle of 35MHz.  Lifeguards are on the low end of 37MHz.
>I remember that the L.A. Sheriff's office used the high end of the 30's,
>up around 39MHz.  But I think they've all gone to trunked systems on
>800MHz.  If you use the R/C in a large metro area, you can probably
>expect interference.
>
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>@     John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs     @ STD DIS- @
>@     VOI (714) JOHN GAB \ FAX (714) JOHN FRY        @          @
>@ [e-mail] \ [e-mail] @          @
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 In addition to what John mentioned, there is a fairly strong contingent
of oil-field communications set at 36.5, 37.0, 37.5 and 38.0 MHZ, these
being wideband fm phone and (surprisingly!) some AFSK-sounding stuff that
my PK232 wont decode, someone said it's ARQ-K3 or somesuch...

 At least in Calif, the old 40-50MHz MTS is gone, as of like 1985
and the local repeaters were torn down, I sure wish I could have bought
some of that stuff to convert to 6 meters!

 There is a small number of harbor patrol transceivers running on
32-35.5MHz, and ocassionally I hear what sounds like DEA/FBI/CIA/NSA
spook stuff going on in the 38-48MHz area, all fm phone with tactical
callsigns.

 I would recommend a chat with the FCC. You might be able to actually GET
a special-use license/permit for a limited time, or they can advise you
regarding the use of remote-control in that freq range. Here in the US the
public is allowed to operate r/c license free in the 72-73 and 74-75MHz
area, with 1/2 watt, am or fm (fm prefered, better yet using PCM or an
advanced (high sample-rate) digital PCM. Your equipment, if modular, might
be converted to run on the 72-73 MHz band. You didnt state which company
manufacturered your gear; The japanese companies (Futaba, et al) usually
offer different transmitter and receiver modules for the various bands
worldwide. It might be a case of new receiver, new tx-module and go fly!

 I did exactly that when I decided to switch from the 72MHz band to six
meters, I ordered and installed the different stuff to my existing Futaba
7-FGK systems (I have 2 am and 2 fm systems now all on 6m) Look in the r/c
newsgroup for more info...rec.models.rc

73!

-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY          +----------------------------+
TTI([e-mail])or: [e-mail] *Government produces NOTHING!*
3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405    +----------------------------+
(OPINIONS EXPRESSED DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF CITICORP OR ITS MANAGEMENT!)

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Date: 23 May 94 20:17:35 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 3V8W cards
To: [e-mail]

Has anyone received a card from DK2WV for a 3V8W contact? My understanding
was that as soon as the operation was approved by the DXCC desk the cards
were going to be mailed out. It was approved in February. I haven't received
my card yet and I'm wondering if I worked another pirate.

                        73,
                        Scott
---
Scott Ginsburg            Voice: 508-436-3836
Wellfleet Communications  Internet: [e-mail]
2 Federal St.             Amateur Radio: WA2CJT
Billerica, MA 01821

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Date: 23 May 1994 11:43:07 -0700
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!news.bv.tek.com!news.bv.tek.com![e-mail]
Subject: Callsign Server EMAIL Address Wanted
To: [e-mail]

Thanks for the posting!

Unfortunately, I can EMAIL but I cannot TELNET.

Are there any EMAIL based callsigne servers.

TU

NI7M

Bruce Cheney
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 1994 18:49:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit![e-mail]
Subject: cycles, cycles/sec vs Hz
To: [e-mail]

Sandy Lynch ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : well it only makes sense that it's from the computer companies that perform
: : the public service of marking their computers with the warning that there is
: : "intel inside".  (sorta up there with the ad from the company that said they
: : had the most powerful computer because their PCs had a 250 W (or something)
: : power supply and what counts in a computer is POWER right???  8) )

: Boy - you missed the boat on that one.  The "intel inside" campaign - from
: an advertising/brand awareness perspective has been a tremendous success
: to Intel (and its shareholders).  It is hardly a "warning" ... and
: actually was initiated by their Japanese subsidiary with the slightly
: different slogan of "intel in it".   This again has yielded excellent
: marketing results as many if not most of the major Japanese PC makers
: have sought to use the "intel in it" slogan for their own pcs.

: I wish I had been the guy who thought it up.

: 73 de Sandy
: WA6BXH/7J1ABV
: [e-mail]

wow, sandy...they guy was jokin'! see the little smiley? he obviously
doesn't care for intel machines.

regards, richard kd6lwd

[e-mail]
all disclaimers apply

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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 17:56:55 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!Mr-Hyde.aoc.nrao.edu![e-mail]
Subject: HAM vs ham
To: [e-mail]

>>>But it's NOT an acronym.  Repeat, NOT an acronym.  Ham, hams, but not
>>>HAM.  The only HAM I know of is an obscure video mode on Amiga
>>>computers.
>
>Agreed.  Julian N6ARE and I are still on our crusade to try to find
>the origin of HAM - not 'ham', but HAM in capitals.   Whenever someone
>posts to say that they are "interested in getting into HAM" we write
>them nice notes to ask why they capitalize it.   Most people ignore us,
>and of those who answer, most say "I don't know, I thought that was how
>you were supposed to write it", but offer no reason why they think that.
>
>Derek "I HAM perplexed" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
>Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
>Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
>[e-mail]

What's morse code for "ham"? It's gotta be "HAM".

Bob "The 20wpm Technician or bust" Greschke
--
Bob Greschke             | If you think the traffic is bad now just wait
Socorro, New Mexico USA  | until the Information Dirt Road gets paved!
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Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:43:31 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!nrtpa038!brtph560!nt.com![e-mail]
Subject: Need schematic for ICOM IC-290H 2 meter all mode
To: [e-mail]

Need schematic for an IC-290H 2 meter all mode.
====================================================================
Dave Redfearn, SR PC LAN Analyst   Northern Telecom  RTP, NC.
ph.[phone]  email: [e-mail]    qrl? de N4ELM/qrp

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer, co-workers or any other person, real or imaginary.

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Date: 23 May 1994 18:44:06 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!astro.as.utexas.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Obstructing justice
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) says:


Someone else said:

: Well, how about "obstruction of justice," a full-fledged crime?

>Ah ..... but doesn't the advice by radio that there is a radar trap
>ahead basically serve to inform others that it is wise to slow down
>so as not to break local traffic laws - that is prevention - nothing
>to do with "obstructing" justice AFTER the commission of a crime -
>of which a traffic violation has nothing to do.   AND, what's the
>difference, then, between a notice on the radio about a radar trap
>compared with a signpost indicating that radar may be used in that
>particular area?

My brother once got a ticket for flashing his headlights at oncoming
cars to warn them of police radar ahead.  This was in Canada - your
mileage and fine may vary.   I dunno what the official charge was and
what they do in foreign countries may not be relevant here.  I think
it's Canada (Ontario) where the police can confiscate radar detectors,
and you might well lose a 2m radio that way too.


Derek "not a lawyer" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 94 18:59:58 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp![e-mail]
Subject: QSL Info Jordan/Morocco etc
To: [e-mail]

I am looking for suggestions on QSL'ing to Jordan and Morocco.  I have sent
QSL's to both contries with green stamps.  Never received replies.. this has
been over 2 yrs... Is it correct to sent G.S.'s or are IRC's preferred.  I've
heard that US Currency is illegal in some countries...

2nd Question... seems I have heard some problems QSL'ing via F6FNU(?) Any
problems I should be aware of?  What I remember reading about is a grey fog.
May have been some rare but unhappy customers.

3rd Question... QSL'ing Germany... Is one IRC/Green Stamp ok?  I have heard
problems here too.

Any help/suggestions appreciated... Bill/N6GHG

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Date: 23 May 1994 19:12:58 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news.larc.nasa.gov!eos1.larc.nasa.gov![e-mail]
Subject: QSL Info Jordan/Morocco etc
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Splaine) writes:
>
>2nd Question... seems I have heard some problems QSL'ing via F6FNU(?) Any
>problems I should be aware of?  What I remember reading about is a grey fog.
>May have been some rare but unhappy customers.
>
  I have never had any difficulty getting QSLs from F6FNU.  Word is that he
requires US$2 per card, but I've always enclosed $1 (the reduced
rate airmail that he uses ends up costing about US$0.40 or so).  Just
be sure to fill out your card correctly and enclose an SAE.

>3rd Question... QSL'ing Germany... Is one IRC/Green Stamp ok?  I have heard
>problems here too.
>
  Current German airmail rates are over $1 now.  So, apparently one green
stamp won't do it.  I've had recent success for Germany (for a 5R8DJ card)
with US$2.  There's still confusion about how much an IRC may be redeemed
for in various countries.  Whether one IRC will actually yield one unit
of airmail postage to the US (from Germany) is unclear.  There was an
effort to compile a list of how IRCs are redeemed in various countries,
but I don't recall it being updated recently.

Richard Eckman  KO4MR
NASA Langley
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 94 20:21:06 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: repeater slang/lingo
To: [e-mail]

>
>> So, if you're in a
>> *large* roundtable, and 10 minutes has passed since your last ID, you might
>> insert your callsign "for ID" at a pause. That tells everyone that you're
>> not asking to break rotation, just stay legal.
>
>Unfortunately, most of the time I hear "for ID" is when two people are
>chatting with one another. Clearly in this case its redundant, since why
>else would you be giving your callsign if you're in the middle of a
>conversation with someone?

I have heard this happen a number of times on HF.  The "moderator" of a large
group or roundtable would announce "ten minutes is up, time to ID" and for the
next five seconds EVERYONE id'ed at the same time and then the discussion in
progress would continue.

I make no claims as to the validity of the process!

Russ

----
Russ Schroeder  W2DYY
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 1994 18:58:59 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!astro.as.utexas.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Scurvy knaves at ARRL
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) fumes:


>Hey.. don't forget the magazine publishers too! I wonder if the ARRL is
>among them? Lets see, if we can sell x number of new subscriptions, that
>means that x number of people stay employed and get annual increases.

Each new subscription means one more person stays employed?   I think
you mean "y number of people", although the algebra is tough to solve
without another equation somewhere.

The ARRL actually gives people raises?  I'm shocked!  What a terrible
waste of money - how can they hope to stay in business with an attitude
like that?   What a bunch of losers.  I'm tempted to resign - do you
realize that ARRL membership costs around 8 cents per day?  Daylight
robbery!


Derek "gasp" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 1994 14:45:51 -0400
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!gatekeeper.ddp.state.me.us![e-mail]
Subject: VO1 OPS
To: [e-mail]



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Date: 23 May 1994 14:39:25 -0400
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!gatekeeper.ddp.state.me.us![e-mail]
Subject: VO1 OPS
To: [e-mail]



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Date: 23 May 94 18:52:11 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2ro5vg$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: "for ID"

[e-mail] (Mickey McInnis) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Gregg) writes:
>>...
>> "for ID" is one of my many pet peeves.  Why the heck else would you say your
>> call?  You ALWAYS give your call "for ID."  It is just an annoying habit.
>>...
OHHHH! I thought they were saying Friday!
Well....live and learn. See, CW has a place after all.

Chuck Hawley, KE9UW, Urbana, IL

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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 18:54:27 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!admii!nvl-times!lucy![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2ras1j$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <2rfp8d$[e-mail]>n
Reply-To : [e-mail]
Subject : Re: sacred frequencies

In article <2rfp8d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Weuchsowagan) writes:
>
>|> Then I guess wind velocity given in `knots' is also incorrect since
>|> there in no time reference. But we all know that `knots' means
>|> `nautical miles per hour', just like we all know `kc' implies
>|> `kilocycles per second'. Except for Erich...
>
>Sorry, but knots is defined as "nautical miles per hour" just as Hertz
>is *defined* as "cycles per second."  Kc may *imply* Kc/s, but it
>certainly is *NOT* defined that way.

    Actually, in physics class we used K cy/s or K cycles/sec for
working calculations. It was easier to keep track of the units
analysis. I guess so 'committee' decide to honor Mr. Hertz and I have
been slipping up ever since. It is a special delight to the
nit-pickers of the world. Go get'em tigers.
--
[e-mail]   (I am not an authorized spokesperson for the Army)
[e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 1994 17:38:42 GMT
From: yar.cs.wisc.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <2ro9qq$[e-mail]>, <Anthony_Pelliccio-230594123056@138.16.64.55>
Subject : Re: Ham Radio few problems!

Tony Pelliccio <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Oh please, if you want to do "Smokey Reports" keep it on 11m. We don't need
>traffic advisories on the amateur bands.

Why?  How is it different than advising of an impending traffic jam or such?
--
Jason J. Hanson        |    22 Langdon Street #220    |  [phone]
Univ. of Wisconsin     |    Madison, WI 53703-1344    |  Ham: N9LEA (Extra)
--  [e-mail]      =*++*=      n9lea@wd9esu.#scwi.wi.usa.noam  --

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